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Thursday, October 05, 2006

Andrewes and Calvin: Two Different Worlds Eucharistically

In Calvin’s response to the ‘Attempted Defence of the Sacrifice of the Mass,’ he writes,
‘They [Papists] say that the Mass is not a new sacrifice, but only an application of the sacrifice of which we have spoken. Although they colour their abomination somewhat by so saying, still it is a mere quibble. For it is not merely said that the sacrifice of Christ is one, but that it is not to be repeated, because its efficacy endures for ever. It is not said that Christ once offered himself to the Father, in order that others might afterwards make the same oblation, and so apply to us the virtue of his intercession. As to applying the merit of his death, that we may perceive the benefit of it, that is done not in the way in which the Popish Church has supposed, but when we receive the message of the gospel, according as it is testified to us by the ministers whom God has appointed as his ambassadors, and is sealed by the sacraments.’
In almost every sentence in this paragraph I have a quotation from Andrewes saying the exact opposite about the sacramental signification and sacrifice of the Eucharist.

4 Comments:

Blogger Brian Douglas said...

Jeff,

This statement from Calvin is replicated by some conservative Evangelical Anglicans in the present day. Have a read of the case study on Robert Doyle from the Diocese of Sydney (Case Study 4.27 at http://web.mac.com/brian.douglas). Doyle argues that there can no presence or sacrifice of Christ in the present in the Eucharist and that anyone who says there can be is disloyal to the Reformation. He argues for what he calls a 'word ontology' which takes precedence over what he calls a 'sacramental ontology'. For Doyle Christ can only be present through the promises of the Word (that is for him the Bible) as is it read, preached and heard. This is a form of nominalism that I have termed immoderate.

This seems to be a view that is not often put in Anglicanism although there are those (moderate nominalists) who do not agree with any realist notion of a sacramental principle. My work suggests that this situation of multiformity (realism and nominalism) has always been present in the Anglican eucharistic tradition.

Congratulations on your appointment. There seem to be lots of things happening for you at present. Please be assured of prayers for you and your family.

9:40 pm  
Anonymous Jason Loh said...

Doyle has also - on behalf of the Sydney diocese - argued for a lay eucharistic presidency also, if I'm not mistaken. I'm inclined to differ, preferring to emulate the example of Our Lord Himself who submitted to "lay" baptism in the person of John the Baptist and as High Priest presided at the Institution.

4:27 am  
Blogger Kevin D. Johnson said...

I have to admit it does seem like Calvin's view guts the sacrament of being the actual means of effectual grace and applies it via the proclamation of the gospel.

On the other hand, Nevin made clear that Calvin later seemed to reflect a much higher view.

I'm interested in hearing more about the comparison and contrasting of say a figure like Calvin and Andrewes.

We have a discussion right now on reformedcatholicism.com that is arguing over whether or not the Formularies represent the "Anglican Way" and just what is Anglicanism. Our more Reformed Anglican proponents seem to want to limit it to what the Reformed divines of the 16 and 17c have articulated in the formularies, yet here in your studies you make it clear that Andrewes for example was much less "Reformed" on this subject than some would like to admit.

9:23 pm  
Blogger Kevin D. Johnson said...

btw, that discussion is in the comment thread here:

http://www.reformedcatholicism.com/?p=702#comments

9:25 pm  

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